Saturday, 11 June 2011

The LiTTLe Conference in London 11.6.11

The Daddy One and I have been to the LiTTLe Conference today in Covent Garden which was organised by Julie Daniel, this was the first time we have left all three of our children, who are 6, 4 and just 2, with my parents for the day so it was rather a novelty for us to have a day out without The Smalls in tow. The Daddy One was surprised by the lack of tie~dye in the audience. Perhaps the article in the #welovehomeed daily yesterday that home ed is the poor man's private school is truer than we thought!

The first speaker on the agenda was Imran Shah who is a home educating father and a social worker. He spoke about attachment and the huge contrast in attachment between the children he encounters via his work and those he sees at home. He talked about growing brains and how the growth of the brain is governed by attachment and covered much of what I wrote about in my first ever blog post which, funnily enough, was called "Growing Brains."
He talked also about the role of hormones in the processes governing attachment such as birth and breastfeeding and how birth "Scrambles up a mother's brain." and rewires it to love the baby almost "too much"

The part the was of the most interest to me was about impulse control and how dopamine levels in the brain cover the control of impulses and he mentioned several studies he had read, plus first hand experience and anecdotes surrounding how the lack of attachment can really become a problem in the teenage years. The high levels of cortisol in the growing brain meant that the neurological pathways which could help to control impulsive behaviour may have failed to grow properly and in addition in unattached teenagers there is evidence that sexual maturity occurs at a younger age.

Imran described the attachment phase as from birth to 7 or 8 years old which, from a personal point of view, helped me to see why my life can feel very intense sometimes!

The second speaker was Sandra Dodd and she spoke very articulately about living in the now. Not focusing too much on the past or planning too much for the future. She had a fabulous quote that she heard at a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous

"If you have one foot in the past and one foot in the future then you are pissing all over today."

She encourages parents to learn how to live thoughtfully in the moment and explained her view that if you do not think before you act then you are acting thoughtlessly, she also encouraged the audience to "Look at your life through different eyes" and she gave a great example of how, when she took her son to the zoo to see a star attraction he was more interested in the crow on the fence!

I first read Sandra's work when my first born was a baby, nearly 7 years ago now, and it is fabulous to see how successful her children, who are now young adults are becoming. They have secured careers for themselves in the fields connected to their passions in a very natural and organic way. Sandra talked about how, for about a year, one of her sons would only wear a tiger dressing up suit but has now matured into a pretty conservative dresser. I was interested to hear this as dressing up clothes are popular in our family and free choice of what to wear is important to the smalls.

Sandra's presentation was very inspiring, encouraging the listener to have faith in their child and to trust the process and not belittle or undermine what a great thing is happening by saying "just" as an adjective.

The third talk was by David Waynforth who as well as being an unschooling father is also a senior researcher and lecturer at Norwich Medical School. He talked about food choices. As a background to those unfamiliar unschooling is a broader philosophy than autonomous home educating in that it encourages free choice in all areas. Bedtimes, TV, diet etc.

David spoke about how we develop our food choices and how humans have evolved beyond the hunter gatherer diet and that our digestive systems have evolved to tolerate a "farmed" diet

He talked about experiments with farm animals and showed how with free access to the right foods they do not over eat, and interestingly to me with an economists training, he spoke of how the theory of marginal value illustrates to us that restricting, for example, sweets, sends out all the wrong signals appropriate to their status as a food. He used several research studies as evidence to back this up and you can contact him via Norwich Medical School for the papers and references. He explained how in one experiment those with limited access to sweets spent longer eating them when they were allowed access to them.

It would be interesting to me to hear a follow up talk on the role of advertising in choices and whilst many of the studies focused on obesity there are other dietary considerations like dental health for example.

He also used marginal utility theory to show how offering sweets as a reward affords them a higher status than they deserve nutritionally by contrast in nature the rewards would be found by hunting for more nutritionally dense foods. He used the idea of marginal utility, which basically states that for every additional unit of something you have the pleasure acquired from it diminishes to explain this very well. When I studied economics at University our lecturer used to example of pints of beer to make the same point.

Several people asked questions at then end about why it was then that there pets were so fat. I felt a bit embarrassed on behalf of David and thought that was a bit like asking David Cameron why no one has been to collect your rubbish but he was very confident and knowledgeable and used the protein theory that he had outlined earlier to show that when the wrong foods are offered too many of them are eaten in order to find the right foods and pet food is a text book example of wrong food lacking nutritionally in many ways plus of course most pets do not have free access to other foods.

The forth speaker was Mike Fortune Wood and during his talk about the rights of children I realised that were we inside the school system we would, almost certainly, be more familiar than we are with some of the acronyms in common usage amongst educational psychologists, teachers and education welfare officers. Mike is incredibly knowledgeable about legislation, politics and politicians and how laws relate to home educate. In a way I felt that if Sandra Dodd's talk had lifted you up and given you the confidence to think unschooling was something you could do then Mike's talk was a slight downer in the sense that he spoke about other countries in Europe where the freedom to home educate is being undermined very rapidly. Those of us that were home educating in 2009 during the Badman review know that we can not be complacent about the status quo.

He talked about the Stalinist view of education as a weapon and recommend the John Taylor Gatto book on the History of Underground education.

Mike also explained how he believes that in England the compulsory school age is, in fact, younger than five because to guarantee a place at a popular school a child needs to have attended the preschool, he believes that the compulsory school age is creeping younger and younger and in certain European countries, like Sweden, nursery care from age one is standard.

In the talk Mike also mentioned how laws not targeted at home educated children can have unintended consequences and he gave the example of a truancy curfew which basically meant home educated children could not be out and about in school hours. Mike mentioned also the creeping power of the state via the school and how it is now possible for a school girl to have a termination of pregnancy arranged via the school nurse with absolutely no requirement that the parents be told. The procedure is performed in school hours and the only way the parents would know would be if the child chose to tell them.

He quoted figures to show that 4% of school children are classified with ADHD and 5% have school phobia but that school phobia itself has been reclassified as a symptom of social anxiety disorder which, in his opinion, boiled down to convenient and inconvenient behaviours rather than problem behaviours and how there is a huge industry behind the issue of behavioural problems. In America this is called "No child left behind" and in the UK "Every Child Matters" and Mike believes this represents a huge influence of the state and interference into the rights and responsibilities of parents.

He finished up talking about how it is illegal to home educate in Germany.

The final talk that we stayed for was Harriet Pattison and Alan Thomas. They spoke about literacy and how children learn to read at home. Dr Alan Thomas started the presentation with a really funny tale about how, as a young teacher, he took a group of children into the woods without any worksheets to fill in and when the headmaster came running after the coach with said worksheets held aloft Alan instructed the passengers to "Smile and wave back!" He talked about his belief in the haloed ground between pupil and teacher and how individualised learning is the key he also caused a roar of laughter in the audience when he said that his first studies of autonomously learning families there appeared to be nothing going on! but slowly over time he realised that actually a lot was going on! The conversations at the breakfast table alone where rich in vocabulary and opinions. He studied 100 families in Australia where the term "natural learning" is used in place of unschool or autonomous. In school the debate is do children learn better with desks in pairs or in groups he would argue they learn better with no desks at all.

He explained that those home educated children who learn to read "late" catch up very fast. Harriet went on to explain that when her own home educated children were young that learning to read was "the elephant in the room." She had heard anecdotes of spontaneous reading but never thought that would be the kind of thing to happen in her family until one day it did when her, then 6 year old daughter, read "Hop on a Pop" the Dr Seuss classic. Since then Harriet has gone on to study exactly what was going on believing that the debate should not be should we teach phonics or whole word but should we teach at all.

They ended their session with a brainstorm asking everyone in the audience with an autonomously educated child who had taught themselves to read to raise their hand, and many people did, and they wrote down the factors they thought had contributed to reading without formal teaching. It challenges much of what the teaching profession believe but is something I write about frequently on my blog!

I am sure others left the event with very different take aways from today but I have focused on what is most relevant to us as a family at the moment. We left the conference feeling very validated, refreshed and reinvigorated that not only is what we are doing worthwhile it is making an important difference

33 comments:

Fiona Nicholson said...

Thank you very much! Did you come away feeling uplifted?

Katherine Norman said...

I had a great time at the conference to. Nice to meet old friends and put face to Twitter friends - Katie!
Plus the talks were all informative and thought provoking - and your write up really good!
Something that struck me and I've since mulled over was the fat pet question. It occurred to me that marginal gain can apply in several ways to cats.
My own experience was that my cat over ate when her life-long cat companion died, and it turned out that her diet had been restricted. Her dead 'sister' had medical problems that meant that she didn't digest food properly and so ate huge amounts. And of course as you say most many cat's access to food is restricted - to the times and amount that their owner puts the food down - otherwise it ends up uneaten and thrown away.

KP Nuts said...

Yes Fiona I did feel uplifted. Especially by Imran & Sandra. We are not text book unschoolers but we have done much attachment parenting: co-sleeping, breastfeeding and our children have never been to school or nursery and I was interested to hear about how the investment in the early years pays dividends in the teenager years. That uplifted me! I am not a very political home edder. Friends joked that the Badman review must have been bad because even I was motivated to write to my MP! but I am so pleased there are people making freedom of information requests and keeping those that work for us on their toes!

You know Katherine at the time I thought the pets question was really odd but I have reflected on it overnight too and I see more similarities. I was thinking how at dog training classes the dogs are given a "reward" biscuit for performing well and how some cats are fed on those timed feeder bowls when their owners are out all day. One of my smalls would have no problems with that but, as I mentioned to you yesterday, one likes to graze all morning and would find hanging on till lunch time pure torture!

The Daddy One is surprised I left out Sandra's story of swinging on the bus which was his hi light! There is so much more I could have written but I just wanted to get something down before I forgot it all!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting that-sounds like a really interesting day out.

Julie said...

Thanks for sharing with those of us who couldn't make it. I would have loved to have heard Sandra speak. It sounds like it was very interesting indeed. Do share more if you get a chance, please.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the long post- great reading. I would love to get in touch with the guy about food- can you let me know his contact details? And the politics stuff is interesting- I would like to tell my brother more about it in case he has an urge to do something libertarian- can I have his contact details too please? Thanks again- lots of love to you all XXEmma XX

Angela Henry said...

Looks fab. Would have loved to go to something like that. Ax

z barras said...

Thank you for sharing all of this KP, I will have to look out for this maybe next year if its an annual event? I read an article recently written by Imran Shah which sounds very similar and was all about the brain. I have to admit to feeling very guilty about my older three children all attending school, they were de-registered in Dec 2007 after I read an article about home ed in Oct 2007. I read that article and it all made so much sense to me and I'm glad that at least I'm home educating now! There is so much more I could ask you and write about! Would you mind if I put a link in my blog referring back to your blog post?
LOVE the Sandra Dodd quote too!
Zoe x

KP Nuts said...

Of course you can link Zoe & don't beat yourself up. Oliver James says the damage can be repaired with "love bombing" and looking at your blog there is plenty of that going on.

Sandra Dodd said...

Nice! Thanks. David and Schuyler are here where I am, in Baud (in BretagneBrittany). I was reading David some of what you wrote about him (the response to the question), but you don't have notes on Schuyler's talk.

I'm glad I was uplifting. :-)
Thanks for the kind words.

KP Nuts said...

Is it raining in France too Sandra? We didn't stay till the end we missed the last talk as 10 hours was as long as my breasts could manage to be away from our breastfed son and it was the longest we had ever left him.

Emma - I will ask Julie Daniel to put up contact details on website. Imran is often on yahoo group called early years HE.

KP Nuts said...

I was most interested in behavioural ecology because it shares concepts with behavioural economics which I wrote about in my first ever blog post "Growing Brains" I would like to read about signalling theory and sweets as it seems we have mixed our messages here. Surely we should give people we love nutritionally dense gifts not nutritionally bankrupt ones. When & if The Smalls go to sleep before me tonight I hope to google around the idea.

KP Nuts said...

Also you can register interest for next time on the lttl website. Link in my post.

Jaki Parsons said...

Can I put this link onto North Hants Home Educators site as we have several folk who would have liked to go

Thank you

KP Nuts said...

Of course you can Jaki - Thanks for asking.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting reading, thank you. As an aside, the way to get round the cat food problem is to feed them a dry complete food which you leave out all the time, then they can eat whenever they want and as much as they want. It doesn't go off or attract flies or anything nasty. We've never had a fat cat and we're on cat no 12 now.

suzyg said...

@Fiona Nicholson. What a splendid question!

suzyg said...

Thank you for such a detailed summary of the conference.

I thought this conference was an excellent idea. I wasn't able to be there, so can only go by what's been reported, but I have reservations about some of this.

A few comments:

I have tried to discuss attachment with Imran but I'm still waiting *hint, hint* for him to get back to me.

Isn't diet more affected by dopamine levels than marginal utility?

And when I eventually got round to reading Gatto's book I was profoundly disappointed - in my opinion his historical analysis is not only inaccurate but distinctly biased.

Do we know if the talks are going to be published?

KP Nuts said...

Hi SuzyG

As well as being a home educating parent Imran has a paid full time job as a social worker. He is obviously a busy guy and said himself several times during his talk that he doesn't have all the answers. There is little interest in funding research into AP at any level. It is not profitable. He is on the early years HE yahoo list. I am not sure of your exact question but you might find my first blog post useul as it has lots of links inc "Why Love Matters"
On J Gatton try unplugged mom on facebook or twitter. She has a radio interview with him.

The talks were recorded. Check with Julie Daniel.









Other posts on this conference

http://unschoolinghub.blogspot.com/2011/06/lttl-conference-2011.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Unschoolinghub+%28unschoolinghub%29

KP Nuts said...

http://muddyfeetandsandyhair.blogspot.com/2011/06/inspirational-day.html

http://uncagedfamily.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/ae-conference-11th-june-part-1/

There is probably a yahoo or similar uschoolers group where this conference is being discussed more. I find our local group is enough for me so I don't tend to use many others.

I have had 5 or 6 fabulous conversations about it with my local HE friends. I think next year might require a larger venue!

suzyg said...

@ KP Nuts

Thanks for the info. I can see I'm going to have to read Sue Gerhardt. She'd better be uplifting...

KP Nuts said...

Actually bits of it are pretty tough going if you are not academically focused. Is there a specific question? Oliver James is more digestible but the summary on my blog post "Growing Brains" is pretty comprehensive

suzyg said...

Not so much a question as a comment. I've read several discussions about Gerhardt's book amongst home educators and I'm a bit concerned that some ideas are being extended beyond their usefulness. Terms like 'attachment' are very difficult to define and whatever you mean by it, healthy attachment will vary between individuals.

Dopamine levels, for example, are likely to vary for genetic and physiological reasons - how do you decide that someone has poor impulse control because of poor attachment in infancy and not because of their genes?

KP Nuts said...

Of course it is not an exact science. You can home ed an adopted child or be breastfeeding a child that goes to school but I think as a general principle the idea that young children belong with their parents and or consistent caregivers is a sensible one and one that is at odds with current fashions.

suzyg said...

I completely agree with the general principles you refer to.

However, we need to decide whether attachment theory is an exact science or not. If it is, then we need to make sure that statements about hormones and neurotransmitters and brain wiring are accurate.

If it's not, then we need to be careful not to impose our beliefs about it onto other people. During discussions I've read a lot of statements about breastfeeding, behaviour etc that I felt could come across as judgemental.

KP Nuts said...

Imran mentioned guilt many many times in his talk Suzy.

suzyg said...

Guilt? Guilt about what?

KP Nuts said...

About how guilty mothers feel that they haven't done everything perfectly. I was refering to your comment on being judgmental.

suzyg said...

Oh, I see. What I felt a bit uneasy about was an assumption that there was a 'right' way of doing things that could make mothers feel guilty if they hadn't done it.

It begs the question of whether there is a normal or ideal human state for us all to aspire to. Personally I think there's a varied genome that interacts with a varied environment - producing a lot of varied behaviour, some of which is clearly harmful and some of which is clearly beneficial. In the middle it all gets a bit complex. I don't subscribe to much of what Bettelheim said, but I do like his concept of 'good enough' mothering.

KP Nuts said...

I thank you so much for your comments Suzy. I have been really thinking about them over the last 24 hours and my reply is so long I think I might have to turn it into a follow up blog post!

Oliver James is writing in the Guardian today about attachement http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jun/18/monkey-human-mother-child-oliver-james

From my personal perspective I liked how the conference joined the dots of our parenting. When our peers from La Leche League for example all headed off to school I had this sense that I had carried on and they had stopped which was an odd feeling especially as I would have considered all of them to be more of AP parents than us.

The point about "good enough" mothering is important though. I give myself a really hard time when things go wrong with my Smalls but I should remember that were that at school all day I would have no idea what was happening to them unless they chose to tell me.

I subscribe to the view in the "Politics of Breastfeeding" that it is hard to make a free choice with so much in the way. Researchers struggle to secure funding for breastfeeding research and when it is published it is often followed by a wave of abuse. Imran made the point that it is hard to separate co-sleeping and breastfeeding as the two are so often connected.

This work by Dr James McKenna is very good http://www.naturalchild.org/james_mckenna/babies_need.html and scientific

I liked the way at the conference that the attachment phase was excepted to carry on until 7 or 8 which is a world away from the school age in the UK which, as Mike Fortune Wood said, is getting younger all the time.

But having said all of the above there are many home educators who didn't breastfeed, co-sleep etc etc and came to home ed much later on. I have been looking to see if anyone with such a perspective has blogged the conference and their take on it.

suzyg said...

A separate blog would be interesting. It's difficult to discuss a report about a talk reported by someone else.

Sandra Dodd said...

I forgot this discussion was here. Katie had asked me a question, in June. About rain in France. :-) It rained so much people couldn't camp, but there were nearly a dozen families wholly or partly represented in three days of hanging out and discussions, they just stayed in gites in town and came back every day. So the two porta-potties we rented didn't get much use. :-)

I agree with the commenter who wrote: "And when I eventually got round to reading Gatto's book I was profoundly disappointed - in my opinion his historical analysis is not only inaccurate but distinctly biased."

I agree. It's very regional to the urban, industrial NE. I like Dumbing us Down, but not the History of Education one. My grandparents all went to school in rural Texas and southern New Mexico in the early 20th century, and it wasn't anything like he describes, but it doesn't surprise people in other parts of the U.S. for New Yorkers not to be able to see past Pennsylvania. :-)

This is an amusing kind-of-Freudian slip: " We are not text book unschoolers but..." I smiled and smiled.

The recordings are on the LTTL website, and I need to get the images I was talking about available. I started to mount them up on a webpage in a "next, next" way but something else came along. People should feel free to prod and remind me.
http://www.lttl.org.uk/download-sound-files.html (free doewnloads, courtesy of James and Julie Daniel)

KP Nuts said...

That is funny Sandra now you point it out - I hadn't thought of it like that!

Textbook Unschooler!